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    Can you say that on TV? The Supreme Court debates

    FILE - In this Dec. 9, 2002, file photo, Cher accepts a lifetime achievement award at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas during the Billboard Music Awards show. During the show Cher used the F-word. The Supreme Court will hear arguments Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2012, in a First Amendment case that pits the Obama administration against the nation’s television networks. The Supreme Court is considering whether government regulators may still police the airwaves for curse words and other coarse content at a time when so many Americans have unregulated cable television, and the Internet is awash in easily accessible adult material. (AP Photo/Joe Cavaretta, file)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — In colorful give and take, the Supreme Court debated whether policing curse words and nudity on broadcast television makes sense in the cable era, one justice suggesting the policy is fast becoming moot as broadcast TV heads the way of "vinyl records and 8-track tapes."

    The case involves programing that is available to all viewers free over the air — even though many now receive it through paid cable connections — during hours when children are likely to be watching.

    Some justices said they were troubled by inconsistent standards that allowed certain words and displays in some contexts but not in others.

    One example frequently cited by the networks was the Federal Communications Commission's decision not to punish ABC for airing "Saving Private Ryan," with its strong language, while objecting to the same words when uttered by celebrities on live awards shows.

    Justice Elena Kagan said the FCC policy was, "Nobody can use dirty words or nudity except Steven Spielberg," director of the World War II movie. Other justices seemed more open to maintaining the current rules because they allow parents to put their children in front of the television without having to worry they will be bombarded by vulgarity.

    Chief Justice John Roberts, the only member of the court with young children, hammered away at that point. Robert wondered why broadcasters would oppose FCC regulation, especially when cable and satellite service can offer hundreds of channels with few restrictions.

    "All we are asking for, what the government is asking for, is a few channels where ... they are not going to hear the S-word, the F-word, they are not going to see nudity."

    Justice Antonin Scalia placed himself on the side of the government. "These are public airwaves. The government is entitled to insist upon a certain modicum of decency. I'm not sure it even has to relate to juveniles, to tell you the truth."

    But at least one justice, Samuel Alito, talked about how rapidly technological change has effectively consigned vinyl records and 8-tracks to the scrap heap, suggesting that in a rapidly changing universe, time will take care of the dispute. Already nearly nine of 10 households subscribe to cable or satellite television and viewers can switch among broadcast and other channels with a button on their remote controls.

    "I'm sure your clients will continue to make billions of dollars on their programs which are transmitted by cable and by satellite and by Internet. But to the extent they are making money from people who are using rabbit ears, that is disappearing," Alito said.

    The First Amendment case involves programing received by antennas on top of a television set, a house or building. Much of that programing now also is available through cable and satellite connections, but only the over-the-air transmissions are at issue.

    The case pits the Obama administration against the nation's television networks. The material at issue includes the isolated use of expletives as well as fines against broadcasters who showed a woman's nude buttocks on a 2003 episode of ABC's "NYPD Blue."

    The broadcasters want the court to overturn a 1978 decision that upheld the FCC's authority to regulate radio and television content, at least during the hours when children are likely to be watching or listening. That includes the prime-time hours before 10 p.m.

    At the very least, the networks say the FCC's current policy is too hard to figure out and penalizes the use of particular words in some instances but not in others.

    The administration said that even with the explosion of entertainment options, broadcast programing remains dominant. It also needs to be kept as a dependable "safe haven" of milder programing, the administration said.

    Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. said that if the court were to overrule its 33-year-old decision, "the risk of a race to the bottom is real."

    But Carter Phillips, representing the networks in connection with the awards shows, said that little would change because broadcasters would remain sensitive to advertisers and viewers who don't want the airwaves filled with dirty words and nudity.

    Phillips and former Solicitor General Seth Waxman, arguing on behalf of ABC, noted that broadcasters could face fines from thousands of pending complaints, including some relating to the broadcast of the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing. The opening ceremonies "included a statue very much like some of the statues that are here in this courtroom, that had bare breasts and buttocks," Waxman said.

    As some justices turned their gaze toward the sculpted marble panels at the top of the courtroom, Waxman pointed to the one above the bench and said, "Right over here, Justice Scalia."

    No one mentioned that those sculptures don't appear on television, because the high court does not allow cameras.

    The FCC policy under attack flowed from the court's 1978 Pacifica decision, which upheld the FCC's reprimand of a New York radio station for its mid-afternoon airing of a George Carlin monologue containing a 12-minute string of expletives.

    For many years, the FCC did not take action against broadcasters for one-time uses of curse words. But, following several awards shows with cursing celebrities in 2002 and 2003, the FCC toughened its policy. It concluded that a one-free-expletive rule did not make sense as a way of keeping the airwaves free of indecency when children are likely to be watching television.

    The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York declared the FCC policy unconstitutionally vague.

    The Billboard Music Awards aired on Fox in both 2002 and 2003. Cher used the F-word the first year, and reality TV personality Nicole Richie uttered the F-word and S-word a year later. The FCC did not issue a fine in either case but said the broadcasts violated its policy.

    The "NYPD Blue" episode led to fines only for stations in the Central and Mountain time zones, where the show aired at 9 p.m., a more child-friendly hour than the show's 10 p.m. time slot in the East.

    Justice Sonia Sotomayor is not taking part in the case because she served on the appeals court during its consideration of some of the issues involved.

    A decision is expected by late June.

    The case is FCC v. Fox Television Stations, 10-1293.

     

    52 comments

    • steve dumford  •  Scotts Valley, California  •  4 months ago
      How can anyone watch commercial TV anyway....75% of it is commercials and unless they start using profanity in commercials, that only leaves 25% of air time open to objectionable material. Turn on your TV and start surfing through the channels and notice how many are running commercials and how many are running actual programming.
      I don't watch commercial TV....why sit and watch hour after hour of advertisements?
    • Chris  •  Orlando, Florida  •  4 months ago
      Of course, you can kill as many people as you like on broadcast television during prime time.

      Because, after all, killing someone isn't nearly as bad as swearing or, heavens forbid, exposing your breasts.
    • Bill  •  4 months ago
      If you are going to have kids, do not expect the world to raise them for you. You decide what they watch on TV, you decide what they do on a computer, you decide what movies to see, you decide what games they buy, and YOU decide what music they listen to and buy. Its not my job. You choose to have now raise them how you think is right.
    • JAMES  •  4 months ago
      Actually vinyl is making a come back among audiophiles.
    • Bull Hockey  •  Pikeville, Kentucky  •  4 months ago
      The attempted use of swear words on broadcast television is further evidence of the dumbing down of the audience. Not all can afford cable television where they can enjoy cursing and nudity by selective viewing. Broadcast media is trying to entice that public to its programing to make up for the losses in viewers to the superior quality of much of cable programing.
      • Allen 4 months ago
        Dumbing down the audience? Look at many of the shows that win Emmy's. It's my personal opinion that a lot of the audience is already dumb.
      • cachesoul 4 months ago
        i consider censorship "dumbing it down"
    • Tim  •  Sanford, Florida  •  4 months ago
      This is a moot issue, when I was 10 or 12, back in the seventies, I learned curse words and not fro tv, but from the street, school, hearing others in real life use them. Most parents already know their children know curse words, its part of life. You have to teach them to watch their mouths and not use them. Be responsible parents instead of looking to the goverment to raise your kids.
    • paula  •  Stevens Point, Wisconsin  •  4 months ago
      Personally, I think the killing and maiming are more vulgar and offensive than any women's breasts or any words that might be said.
    • Bill  •  4 months ago
      People, take some responsibility, set your V chip, also use change channel button, use off/on button, all else fails cut the plug off. Why expect the Government to do everything for you. We know they can't do anything!
    • Andrea  •  Austin, Texas  •  4 months ago
      blah blah fancy word play about how obscene obsenitys are, freedom of speech is black and white you can either speak freely or you cant, not for some but for all. try to get around thaat truth, it and it will be gone. you hold the right to not listen, i.e. change your channel, dont associate with people who use foul language. etc. you crazy people would give up your only safe gaurds against an already over bearing government because your to lazy to change your channel?? think im over reacting? have fun paying your unconstitutional income taxes-16th amendmant. the IRS and the FCC are what happens when you let your government hack away at the constitution.
    • J Mb  •  4 months ago
      I don't care what is said. I do have a problem with the sex. Not from a prude POV, but from a writers POV. It's just lazy to fill a spot in a 45-50 minute show with a 15 minute sex scene of completely covered up people moaning and groaning. Nobody is into your show because we might see some barely there sideboob or the occasional backsack. We watch your show for the compelling drama and humor. Why are you hitting us over the head with this guy and that lady are in love that way? What's wrong with just showing a peck on the cheek? morning pillow talk? or the classic thing, where they knew they couldn't show anything good, so they would show, for example, Captain Kirk smooch the green skinned lady, smash cut to Kirk on the edge of the bed putting his boots back on with the alien chick sipping coffee in a bathrobe. That takes no more than 30 seconds, and now that that's over, we haven't wasted 10-15 minutes and we've got more time for compelling exposition of B and C and even D stories in the script.
    • SSDD666  •  Detroit, Michigan  •  4 months ago
      Maybe instead of folks looking to the government to decide what's acceptable for their kids to see on t.v. they should act like parents and make this parenting decision themselves. My wife and I are the proud parents of 3 wonderful kids (10, 7, and 2) and we both take time to research and decide what we want them watching. All the t.v.'s in our house are equiped with v-chips and we have filtering software on our family computer and my labtop, we've also educated ourselves on how the MPAA ratings system and the parental advisory labels on music and video games work. The government has no place in how we raise our kids.
      • Andrea 4 months ago
        same here, got my VCHIP that came standard with my TV, my kids watching electric company. life is good.
    • Sharon  •  4 months ago
      If you don't like it don't watch it.
      As for, "All we are asking for, what the government is asking for, is a few channels where ... they are not going to hear the S-word, the F-word, they are not going to see nudity," those already exist.... have these people heard of Disney??
      • M.T. 4 months ago
        I don't want my junior high kids watching constant profanity and nudity, but I don't think they should be forced to watch only Disney movies. I think that even adults would like to know that they can watch some shows without vulgarity.
      • RON 4 months ago
        670 channels and nothing on. Get to pay for it and get commercials to boot!
    • mikem  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  4 months ago
      The comments on this board only prove how many morons and idiots do not bother reading an article before opening up a can of rant.
    • Patricia C.  •  Monroe, Louisiana  •  4 months ago
      Do you think e could get something decent to watch? Why does it cost so much to watch re-runs. You pay for channels, yet you are paying for advertising, and most shows we do not care to watch.
    • Chris Jefferson  •  Westminster, Maryland  •  4 months ago
      Ron Paul 2012. The government shouldnt be responsible for what you allow your kids to watch. If you want to make sure their watching the right shows, sit with them while they watch or turn it off until you can. Too many ppl think the tv is the babysitter.
      • Joe Garcia 4 months ago
        Please don't try to make sense here. We don't want the responsibility of rising our kids, that's too much.
      • Andrea 4 months ago
        thumbs up even though i dont like RP very much. unless hes talking about the constitution.
      • Chris Jefferson 4 months ago
        I wonder what ppl did with their kids b4 tv
    • T M  •  4 months ago
      Is the FCC keeping your kids from hearing it at public (i.e., government-run) school?
    • --Sweet Home Alabama---  •  4 months ago
      I don't care what they do TV sux anyhow...all these channels an maybe 4 are good...
    • Gnosis  •  Fort Worth, Texas  •  4 months ago
      The Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over your 1rst Amendment! It is the Supreme Law of the Land (Article 6 US Constitution). The Supreme Court has jurisdiction over legislative law only, which may not trump your Constitutional rights because the courts are not above the law. Their job is to uphold the law.
      • mikem 4 months ago
        Relax dude they are debating whether to remove the restrictions not put new ones geez read the Fing articles before you rant
      • Gnosis 4 months ago
        @Mikem Do you understand, "Tippy Toe Totalitarianism?" How about, "Problem, Reaction, Solution?"
    • Terry  •  4 months ago
      ONLY in AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!
    • Eddie  •  Branson, Missouri  •  4 months ago
      Time,events and circumstances will render all this moot, technology is moving forward in leaps and bounds, If you can't see it on tv,,the computer has it, the same access but uncut. The viewers will go where they can see the uncut show, the money will follow and then production, The sensationalism of what we watch is what leads at the RATING's. The more you try to hide it from kids, the more you focus their attention on it. And now with tv's and PC's in every house, with access to millions of channels..FCC seems like walking a dinosaur would be easier.